When people go out at night, it is not a requirement that the artiste should be able to make it so it is impossible almost to have a conversation in the room without shouting into your neighbours ear. Owners of bars take very little notice of volume it seems. It seems strange this as people often just leave so bar owner takes less money. Bar owners just do not like telling singers to keep the volume down a little. Most singers seem to be Guilty of this, love to know why?

I think a lot of them have the attitude, "you will listen to me whether you are enjoying it or not. I'm enjoying myself so tough."

I thought we had been instructed not to make any posts about noisy bars ????

She problerly got paid to sing 80s,90s and 2000. That was her act. If ur in ur 60s u telling me u dont know any of the songs from the 80s when u was in ur 30s? A nite is what u make of it urself!

Syd I dont believe anybody gave instructions about not talking about noise in bars,far from it as far as I am aware Steve still allows anything,to be written
I think you will find the vast majority of readers were fed up with the repitious rubbish that we were writing

Hi Adam - The lady in question that you are referring to has to be Lorna Michelle as I saw her advertised somewhere that she was singing at Harry's Bar last night, or heard it from somebody. I have seen her a couple of times and she does have a beautiful voice but, as stated, she does not play tunes that I know very well, and some I had never heard of. I also have been to Harry's Bar once, where I enjoyed the meal very much and the venue is very nice. I most certainly would go back when I know there is going to be an entertainer that I know is good and that doesn't give you a migraine !! After all one does go out with friends to be able to talk to them doesn't one?

Actually Mikeboy I am in my 70's and at that time of my life was in a job where I did not have time to listen to much music and even if I did I still prefer the music of 40's, 50's and 60's. I have seen lots of entertainers who are young and they manage to entertain the audience with the older songs. When I listen to music I like to hear the lyrics not just one line repeated over and over again. And, even if we are older we are not all b..... deaf!!!!!!!!!!

It is a great shame that Bar Owners do not realise that we do not all have deaf aids we can turn down. Every bar should have one of those decibel counters and USE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Even the besr singers seem to get carried away with sound.

It is a great shame that Bar Owners do not realise that we do not all have deaf aids we can turn down. Every bar should have one of those decibel counters and USE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Even the besr singers seem to get carried away with sound.

Not wanting to start an old topic, but
I think this is what the residents around the Consum area were complaining about.

We only ever go to restaurants where there are no 'entertainers'. I so agree with the above comments. I hate to come home exhausted and with a sore throat from trying to speak over the music.
Suzanne

Having lived in Blackpool Town centre for a few years and visited all the Working mens Clubs we found that all the entertainers played for their audiences. At the begining of the season they had a showcase at one of the venues and members of the club committees went along to see what the acts had to offer. If they did not come up to scratch they did not get work. Several venues had musicians for the performers to work with and I cannot remember anyone playing as loud as some of them think they need to. I have been in several venues in La Marina and have seen the owner of the premises ask the artiste to turn the sound down. I AM GLAD I DO NOT LIVE IN QUESADA.

Sorry Eve but I'm glad that you don't live in Quesada either.

I would like to point out Select air that I am not a miserable person who does not like music, I love music, but, I can remember some years back going to hear Reckless in the Lost Post on La Marina and the next morning I still had ringing in my ears. If this is good for people's health then I stand corrected.

On reading the comments about he singer at harrys bar recently I have to say I am shocked by the short sited,unkind and critical remarks that have been made for a number of reasons;
I do accept that not everyone has the same taste in music but if a younger person had made the comments about older songs they would be accused of being ageist, how come it doesnt work the other way around?

If your mind was made up in the beginning that you were going to chat instead of listen to her, she would get that message straight away so immedeatly the rapport is lost between artist and audience however, she has a responsibility to the person who is paying her to give a good peformance and carry on regardless and I imagine that must be very difficult knowing your not wanted or appreciated on the night, so I say every credit to her for appearing to enjoy herself in spite of the negativity in the room

That said if I was going out to dinner with friends and the purpose of the evening was to enjoy converstion then i would go to a dinner venue that didnt have entertainment on the night?

Added to that have ever you thought about giving some purposeful feedback or constuctive criticism to either the singer or the pub owner. Maybe if you made some suggestions or requests on the night or in the future that would help all concerned, but to criticise on the forum where these people dont have an opportunity to respond if theyre not aware of whats being said, just appears spiteful and petty.

I do accept that everyone has different tastes and requirements and it would be a bad job if we all liked the same thing but communication is the key here, let people know your feelings and requirements in a positive manner and youll be surprised what you can acheive, better still make some purposeful suggestions, theyd probably be very welcome.

How about posting some suggestions on the forum as to what you would like to see or what you'd would enjoy and hopefully this will go back to the venue owners

kind regards
Debra

Suggestion for a night out!

Might not be everybodys cup of tea but one of the best, unplanned I might add, nights out I ever had was in a piano/lounge bar.

The surroundings were beautiful and guests sat around a grand piano while a smart middle aged guy played the piano, singing and taking requests, every number he played was request.

He covered everything from Sinatra to Jamie cullum and everyone joined in with the singing, not like a knees up mother brown sing a long, it was nice.

Some couples were having anniversary songs played it was really lovely

We were in a large room with plenty of other guests who didnt join in the singing but instead sat around in their finery on comfy sofas and winged back chairs,enjoying conversation and drinks with their friends and family.

The best part of the evening was the people watching, the cosmetic surgery in the room was astounding and it was great just guessing who'd had what done.
Anyway it wasnt in Spain it was in Florida nonetheless I think if somebody did a similar thing on Quesada or La Marina it would be a good thing, something different although the cosmetic surgery is not compulsory

Maybe this would be something one of the charities might want to tackle as a theme for a fund raising event ?

kind regards

Debra

Debra,
I can see this debate from both sides,firstly the amount of sound blasted out,is partly because people do go to these places to talk,and expect the music to be the backgroung to there talk,unfortunately for them people also go to listen to the music,So the singer has to allow enough sound for the listeners to be heard over the chatting and laughing of people talking on tables around them.
As for letting the singers know what music is liked,sorry but that is up to the singer themselves,if they get a lonely clap after a short session,then surely they will know they are singing to themselves,so they should be professional enough to change to a different type of song or genre,if they cant find what is liked then obviously ask your audience,If they dont do that genre,at least they have learned to learn a few songs in case they get invited back.
I have sympathy for the chatters,the listeners,but mostly for the Artistes,so really I pick and choose the people i listen to.

Quite a lot of people walked out of the bar that evening long before the music finished and I did hear someone saying to the owner that the music was far to loud, which I agreed with. If the owner ignored these remarks then I think that was rather thoughtless. I think these people who complained would have tolerated the type of music if the sound had been turned down a little.

Reading this topic and looking back at the older topic of Consum bar noise, you can see quite clearly why bars that want to play live music or entertainment that requires microphones and speakers have to abide by the rules regards music licences and soundproofing as posted in the link by Eve.

http://www.theleader.info/article/8219/music-or-no-music-the-debate-continues/

one bar in quesada,customers make complaint of noise in bar.
In La Marina i have not seen one person complain of noise in bar.
For heaven sake Syd give it a rest,and find something else to debate

Hi Adam
we were discussing the volume of noise coming from the singer inside the venue, not the volume of noise outside of the venue.

If youre going to soundproof the singer indoors, well thats another story altogether

kind regards

Debra

sorry Adam i do apologise my comment was in response to Syds post, not yours

regards

Debra

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Debra a) Is one not allowed to talk to one's friends when you go out. b) as an old person, as you put it, I would not dream of trying to push my type of music on to young people. Don't forget it is the people who frequent the bars to eat and drink, who pay the entertainers wages. c) The landlord was told it was too loud but after people making that comment, it seemed as if the volume was turned up higher. So if he chooses to ignore people, he only has himself to blame if people don't go there again. In this day and age , with the economy as it is, you cannot afford to upset people, even if they are not always right. I have been in business myself so I do know what I am on about.

Adam

I fear we must agree to disagree on this one, I am also in business and very experienced when it comes to offering a public service.

Added that my husband is a very successful entertainer (not on the costas) so I have a very balanced view.

I did not suggest for one moment that people should not be allowed to talk or hear themselves think, I suggested quite sensibly that maybe choosing a more suitable venue is the key for those people seeking an evening of conversation.

For the record I think it must be difficult to "sing quietly" unless your singing a particularly gentle song ?

kind regards

Debra

We will agree to differ and close the subject. I have also been involved with lots of entertainers and you will never convince me that you have to have your backing music turned up so loud that it drowns out your own voice. But you are entitled to your own opinion as I am mine.

Adam I am happy to agree to disagree but for the record in your initial post to which I responded, you dont mention that your problem is "the music is louder than the singer. You did say " The entertainment is much too loud and the entertainer, a lady, was singing for herself, nobody else, otherwise why was she singing 80's 90's 2000 music when the audience were all in their 60's. When will people realise if they are paid to entertain, then, its the people they are entertaining that count, not themselves. It spoilt our night.

so you will forgive me if i did not understand you were complaining about backing music ?

Now thats a different point altogether but lets not go there as weve already agreed to disagree and move on.

kind regards
Debra